I admit that I don’t regularly swim in the murky and toxic waters of the culture pool, and I am neither a fan of Russell Brand nor Westboro Baptist Church, so this is not an endorsement of either one. Rather, the dialogue in the video provokes a bigger question for me.
Why should anyone love a person who God hates?
Watch the video, then stick around for a few more questions…
There – now wasn’t that FUN!? It will be too easy to shoot the fish in the barrel of everything that’s just wrong about this whole thing, but…
As I said, this dialogue provokes a bigger question for me (and for anyone who holds to a theology that concludes that God hates people — which I do not).
The guys from WBC say multiple times in this video that they truly love Russell Brand and the audience members, but that (1) God hates them, and (2) They hate each other.
At one point, Brand says to Steve, “I love you,” and Steve says, “Well, I love you too!”
But according to the WBC reps, the only people in the mix who truly love anyone are the WBC guys themselves because they are warning people to “stop sinning” lest they “burn in hell.” If their image of God is that God justly, rightly, and sovereignly hates people, then I don’t see why they — obedient servants of the God who hates people — would feel differently about people than God does.
Maybe I’m missing something.
In the WBC theological and evangelistic schema, God hates, and they, his followers love. And his followers model the love that they have for the world by telling everyone how much God hates them. This, they believe, is the perfect combination to help people turn to the God who hates them so that he won’t send them to hell.
I admit that I’m more than a little interested to see how those who can’t stomach the WBC brand, but who agree with their theology of God’s hatred for some people, will distance themselves from the WBC theological conclusions.
By the way, as a disclaimer, this post fits well with Luke’s reminder that some of our posts are unrefined.
If any WBC folks read this post (Steve? Timothy? Bueller?) please enlighten us.
1. Why do you love people whom God hates?
2. Does this not set you above God as morally superior (since you’re the loving one here)?
3. Or is God’s hatred more virtuous than your love?
4. If you think God’s hatred is more virtuous than your love, why not repent of loving, and embrace the higher virtue of hate?
Again, this is a first reaction and an unrefined post, but…
(starting to get a brain cramp)
Okay – Jump in. I’m gonna love, er, hate this. I’m so confused.
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UPDATE (10/26) – I just picked this off of the WBC Home Page where they explain the theology behind the statement: “God Hates Fags.” According to the first two (of three) reasons why they use the phrase, the Bible teaches:
1. the absolute sovereignty of “GOD” in all matters whatsoever (e.g., Jeremiah 32:17, Isaiah 45:7, Amos 3:6, Proverbs 16:4, Matthew 19:26, Romans 9:11-24, Romans 11:33-36, etc.),
2. the doctrine of reprobation or God’s “HATE” involving eternal retribution or the everlasting punishment of most of mankind in Hell forever (e.g., Leviticus 20:13,23, Psalm 5:5, Psalm 11:5, Malachi 1:1-3, Romans 9:11-13, Matthew 7:13,23, John 12:39-40, 1 Peter 2:8, Jude 4, Revelation 13:8, 20:15, 21:27, etc.), and
In other words, their conclusions are based on deterministic sovereignty and the doctrine of reprobation (the extreme version of which, essentially teaches that God has fore-ordained most people to hell with no hope of escaping this pre-determined outcome). This doesn’t mean that WBC rightly understand or apply those doctrines, but embracing them as they have has lead them to their practical conclusions.
As an aside, I always wondered why people who believe in the doctrine of reprobation would ever call people to repent who will not be able to do so, because God has ordained them to hell. The call to repentance is the offer of something that can never be appropriated by a divinely reprobated sinner. Again, why love people God hates?