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Learning, Listening, & Engaging: My Interaction with Jehovah Witnesses Today

Engaging Jehovah WitnessesToday I had a scheduled meeting with two Jehovah Witnesses (JW’s to save space) to discuss the Bible and our religious beliefs. A friend from the church I serve had been approach by them and invited me to come and to talk. I was excited to sit down and have a conversation with them and to learn about their views. I honestly don’t know much about JW’s and have only read a few books on them, but that was a number of years ago.

Anyway, I went into the discussion with several things I wanted to do:

  • I went to be a learner.
  • I went to ask questions.
  • I went to listen.
  • I went to begin a relationship.

Those were my intentions. I was thinking through having dialogue with James 1:19 (listening) and 1 Corinthians 13 in mind (love). Here’s what happened:
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Playing by a Different Set of Academic Standards: Responding to Mohler’s Comments on the Vineyard

There are some commonly held “rules of engagement” when scholars interact with each other and opposing ideas. And if those scholars happen to be Christians, I would assume that more care would be taken to be loving, gracious, and humble in how one approaches others and their views. Christian Scripture indicates that those qualities are essential to what I would call being a Christlike scholar. This is eloquently explained by Andreas J. Köstenberger when he writes,

Everything a Christian does should be characterized by grace. Grace should permeate our thoughts, words, and actions, and make a noticeable impression on those with whom we come in contact, both believers and unbelievers. Unfortunately, I suspect that many unbelievers would not immediately associate graciousness with Christians. More likely, they may think of a church bitterly splitting over petty issues, the bombing of abortion clinics, or how they’ve heard that Christians hate homosexuals. Such stereotypes cannot be changed overnight, but as scholars it is our responsibility to model graciousness in our interactions with one another and with those with whom we disagree.” (Excellence, p. 189; emphasis mine)

It’s with this concern that I write. Recently, Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., President of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, interviewed Tanya Luhrmann. Luhrmann is a psychological anthropologist and teaches at Stanford University. Earlier this year she released her latest book, When God Talks Back: Understanding the American Evangelical Relationship with GodIf you haven’t picked up a copy of the book, you should do so. There are a number of reasons why I found the book fascinating, not the least of which are that (1) Luhrmann is not an evangelical Christian and (2) her research was done within the Vineyard Movement. This means that if you are interested in what a “secular” anthropologist thinks about “charismatic” Christians, this is a good place to start.
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The Chick-Fil-A Hoopla

So I was going to write a long post about what I thought concerning today’s “Support Chick-Fil-A” reverse boycott. I planned on explaining that I’m sure the intentions of those who started this idea and promoted it and took part in it were probably nothing but good. I was going to say that if I were near a Chick-Fil-A, I might have even got myself a sandwich (maybe… not sure… I’d have thought that one through a bit). I was going to make sure to emphasize that I believe Dan Cathy, the president of Chick-Fil-A, should be able to share his opinion and not have to worry about some radical anti-constitutional politician threaten to keep his business out of a certain city. I thought I’d probably then spend some time writing about why I think Christians should avoid getting all public with their participation in this “Support Chick-Fil-A” day because I think it will end up hurting the cause of Christ, especially amongst the LGBTQ community, and others who are just supportive of that communities rights and feelings.

But then I read a recent post by Barnabas Piper, “Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day: A bold mistake.”

Piper’s post has everything in it that I want to say, so I’m going to refer you readers to it. It’s excellent. For those of you who are too lazy or not yet convinced it’s worth your time, he writes,

“Homosexuality is one of the most defining, contentious, and complex issues facing this generation of the church. We cannot sacrifice our biblical convictions but neither can we sacrifice the church’s ability to serve people of opposing viewpoints and lifestyles. The 452,000 people supporting Chick-fil-A are delivering more than one message, and the message the homosexual community and its supporters see is “us versus you.” The event also sends a message of separatism and territorialism in the “reclaiming” of those restaurants that are being boycotted, a collective action easily seen as a shaking of the fist or a wagging of the finger.”

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Do Historical Matters Matter to Faith?, ed. by Hoffmeier & Magary

There are a lot of books that seek to expose problems in the Bible and many others that seek to defend its truthfulness. My shelves are full of books that address issues related to the historicity and truthfulness of the Bible. But there area lot of people, especially in today’s postmodern culture, who tend to take a rather apathetic approach to these issues. In fact, on more than one occasion I have had friends state that it doesn’t matter much whether or not the events recorded in Scripture actually happened… we just need to take the moral teachings of Jesus and the Bible and see them for what they are.

The natural question, then, is simple: does the history that is presented in the Bible actually matter to the Christian faith? What are we to make of all the current skeptics of the Bible and the advocates for its distrust?

A recent work has taken on this very issue, Do Historical Matters Matter to Faith?, edited by James K. Hoffmeier and Dennis R. Magary. Over twenty scholars contribute well-researched essays that cover a variety of topics, including issues related to Biblical, Systematic, & Historical Theology, the Old & New Testaments, and Biblical Archaeology.
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Advice for Helping Doubters…

J. I. Packer writes,

“How can one help doubters? First, by explaining the problem area (for doubts often arise from misunderstanding); second, by exhibiting the reasonableness of Christian belief at that point, and the grounds for embracing it (for Christian beliefs, though above reason, are not against it); third, by exploring what prompts the doubts (for doubts are never rationally compelling, and hesitations about Christianity usually have more to do with likes and dislikes, hurt feelings, and social, intellectual, and cultural snobbery than the doubters are aware).” (Growing in Christ, 21)

 

Would Polygamists Discuss the Foundation for their Theology?

I’ve noticed that polygamy has become the latest craze in reality TV (TLC’s Sister Wives). Given that the interviews I’ve seen of these “plural marriage” advocates have stated that their “faith” is the reason that they are practicing this lifestyle, I was wondering where they come up with the foundation for that faith decision.

I’m searching for some support for these theological convictions, and all that I can find is the Mormon document Doctrine and Covenants.

At any rate, as I’ve briefly scanned a couple episodes of this TV show, I’ve wondered if these folks would be willing to engage with a Christian to discuss their faith and to determine what the foundation for their practice is. Is it from Old Testament examples? Is it from the Book of Mormon? Is it in the New Testament? Where do they arrive at the conclusion that to practice their faith, they must participate in polygamy?

If only I could sit down with one of them and ask them some of these questions… what do you think?

 

God Will Wipe Away Every Tear: Interacting with Time Magazine on Revelation 21:4

Justin Taylor reports thatTime Magazine’s cover story is on Rob Bell and his latest book Love Wins. Surprise, surprise. As Denny Burk points out,

“Every year during Easter season, the news weekly’s like to feature stories that tweak traditional Christian belief (for example, The Gospel of Judas, the tomb of Jesus, etc.). For these publications, Holy Week has become heresy week. I think it says something that Bell’s book has now taken a place next to these kinds of stories.”

The article on Bell and his book goes on to admit that,

“There is, however, no escaping the fact that Jesus speaks in the Bible of a hell for the “condemned.” He sometimes uses the word Gehenna, which was a valley near Jerusalem associated with the sacrifice of children by fire to the Phoenician god Moloch; elsewhere in the New Testament, writers (especially Paul and John the Divine) tell of a fiery pit (Tartarus or Hades) in which the damned will spend eternity. “Depart from me, you cursed [ones], into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels,” Jesus says in Matthew. In Mark he speaks of “the unquenchable fire.” The Book of Revelation paints a vivid picture — in a fantastical, problematic work that John the Divine says he composed when he was “in the spirit on the Lord’s day,” a signal that this is not an Associated Press report — of the lake of fire and the dismissal of the damned from the presence of God to a place where “they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

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The Parable of the Talents: Are There Two or Just One?

This Sunday I’m preaching planning to preach on the Parable of the Talents. Yesterday my issue was which one to preach on. There are two: Matthew 25:14-30 and Luke 19:11-27. There’s a lot of similarities between the two passages, yet significant differences too. Since the gospel writers are less concerned with chronology, it can sometimes be difficult to figure out whether the Synoptics are recording the same events from different perspectives or whether there are two separate events (e.g., does Jesus cleanse the temple of money changers once, or twice?).

With the Parable of the Talents, the question is, Are Matthew and Luke describing the same teaching? Those who utilize strict redaction criticism have tended to take Matthew and Luke as editing the same source material and adding their own theological and historical opinion into the mix. So those scholars suggest that these two passages are indeed based upon the same actual parable.
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The Best Response to Roman Catholicism I Have Ever Read

Dr. Keith Mathison has written a detailed response to the claims of Rome in what I’d consider to be perhaps one of the best responses ever (article here). I know that’s saying a lot, but the biblical, theological, and historical detail is simply incredible. It’s an essay, so it’s not as detailed as some of the books that have been released, yet it’s a detailed and yet concise exposure to why Protestants have significant issues with the claims of Rome. More than anything, Mathison provides solid apologetics for Protestants to better understand and grasp why so many have either left or stayed out of Rome. Mathison clarifies that,

“I do not harbor any illusions that any Roman Catholics will find what I have to say below persuasive. They have heard many of these arguments before. The point I wish them to understand is that I (and many others) see the evidence as more than sufficient to raise reasonable doubt about the claims of Rome.”

Roman Catholicism makes significant claims that Mathison provides considerable response to. For example:

  1. Rome claims that the Roman ecclesiastical hierarchy was instituted by Christ.
  2. Rome claims that Christ appointed Peter to be the visible head of the whole Church and gave him jurisdictional primacy.
  3. Rome claims that the bishops of Rome are the successors of Peter.
  4. Rome claims that the Church is indefectible.
  5. Rome claims that the Pope is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra.
  6. Rome claims that the teaching Magisterium of the Roman Church is infallible.
  7. Rome claims that ecumenical councils are defined in terms of the papacy.
  8. Rome claims that the “oneness” of the church is to be defined in terms of faith and communion with Rome.
  9. Rome claims that the “apostolicity” of the church is to be defined in terms of origin, teaching, and succession in office.
  10. Rome claims to be the church founded by Christ.

Point by point, Mathison dismantles each of these assumptions. It’s worth the read. For Catholics, it will hopefully better their understanding as to why there are Protestants. For Protestants, it will provide support and better understanding too.

Perhaps the most interesting information that Mathison writes is concerning Rome’s claim that it is indefectible. He writes,

“As far as the specific canons of these councils are concerned, Rome has been as selective in her observance and acceptance of them as others have. Numerous priests and bishops in the Church of Rome throughout history have not been deposed for crimes as they should have been according to the ninth canon of Nicaea.[FN9] The priests and bishops of Rome for centuries violated the spirit if not the letter of canons 15 and 16 of Nicaea. Canon 3 of the Council of Constantinople, which referred to Constantinople as the new Rome, occasioned many arguments. The Eastern Orthodox often accuse Rome of violating canon 7 of the Council of Ephesus by introducing the filioque into the creed. Canon 2 of the Council of Chalcedon invalidates the ordination of those who obtained their office by simony, which would render null and void the offices of numerous medieval Roman bishops, including Popes, who both bought and sold offices. Rodrigo Borgia, perhaps the most infamous and ungodly Bishop of Rome, flagrantly bought the Papacy to become Pope Alexander VI. If canon 2 of Chalcedon is granted, then his ordination was invalid. Many of the medieval bishops of Rome also violated Canon 3 of Chalcedon. Canon 28 of the Council of Chalcedon, with its granting of privileges to Constantinople that Rome believed belonged to her, was a source of contention. If one looks closely at the canons of the ecumenical councils, it is evident that Rome too has adopted the pick-and-choose approach that Cross criticizes.”

HT: Alpha & Omega Ministries

Avoid Writing Off Essential Truths in the Quest for Relevance: Why the Virgin Birth Matters!

Awhile ago a lot of chatter occurred on the blogosphere due to a sermon that Rob Bell preached and something he wrote in Velvet Elvis. Bell basically suggested that the truthfulness of the Virgin Birth didn’t really affect his faith. In other words, if he found out that the story of the Virgin Birth was simply “just a bit of mythologizing the Gospel writers threw in to appeal to the followers of the Mithra and Dionysian religious cults that were hugely popular at the time of Jesus” it wouldn’t change his understanding of the Christian faith because if Christianity is based on the Virgin Birth then “[the Christian faith] wasn’t that strong in the first place, was it?”

Now, Bell’s point was simply to remind people about the importance of distinguishing between primary issues and secondary issues and he was not denying the truthfulness of the Virgin Birth. In fact, he affirmed it many times. However, I think he fundamentally misunderstands the importance of the Virgin Birth and equally overlooks the way that Matthew sees this historical fact. In Michael Horton’s new systematic theology, The Christian Faith, he helpfully quotes Brevard Childs as writing that “the virgin birth is the sign which identifies [Jesus] as the Messiah” (p. 466). Horton goes on to state that “the virginal conception of Christ itself presupposes the existence of the Son prior to his incarnation.”
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CNN Falls for Ehrman Hook, Line, & Sinker

Is it just me or do most media outlets have an overly trusting infatuation with Bart Ehrman? I recently noted Ehrman’s overall role within NT scholarship (here) and now I just read an article at CNN.com – Former Fundamentalist ‘Debunks’ Bible. There is such a weird intriguing infatuation within most media outlets with this guy. But that’s not what’s so interesting to me. What I find extremely telling about most media outlets is that Ehrman is rarely presented as holding a minority view within Biblical scholarship. And what’s worse, he’s very rarely reported on alongside scholars like Dr. Dan Wallace, Dr. James White, or any of the other scholars that have either publically debated him or written responses to his popular works.

In seminary I was required to read several of his works on the subject of the NT Scriptures and it was painfully obvious that he had a bias in his approach to NT studies. It still amazes me the role that presuppositions can play within one’s scholarship. Evangelicals are often just as guilty, but that’s a different discussion for a different time. What makes Ehrman so attractive to the media? Oh… I have a feeling we can determine the answer to that question in this CNN article – controversy sells. I sure appreciate having to have read his books though. Dealing with the issues related to the Johannine Community have strengthened why I believe the Apostle John wrote the fourth gospel. I’m sure I can thank Ehrman for that!
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